Is Sheriff Hutchinson being treated the same?

Hennepin County Sheriff Dave Hutchinson plead guilty to a dwi crash. He had a blood alcohol level of .13, there was also evidence of THC use, crashed a $75,000 County owned vehicle and was carrying his firearm. Being Sheriff he was returning from a Sheriff's Conference and was considered on duty.

In an interview given to Fox 9 he says he "received no special treatment" and  is "being treated like everyone else." Is he? 

Yes he was given 2 years probation and fined $610. He says he will make sure Hennepin County tax payers don't have to pay for damages, but what about everything else?

As a Union steward at the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office for over 20 years what about discipline? Sheriff's Office employees are almost always given a suspension without pay. One supervisor driving a Sheriff's Office vehicle under the influence was given almost one month off without pay and demoted. Is Hutch giving up any pay? I represented a few members who had gotten DWI's and there was almost always time off. This is setting a new precedent. No discipline beyond Court ordered. As to the THC, that's grounds for firing and losing the ability to purchase or carry a firearm! I realize an elected official can't be fired, but again this is precedent setting. 

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It's illegal to carry a firearm under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. MSS 624.7142 states that is also a crime, a misdemeanor and you can have your ability to carry a firearm suspended. That happened to around 37 citizens last year. Hutch?

Employees of Cities and County's are generally banned from driving Government owned vehicles after a DWI even in a personal vehicle. Is the Sheriff still going to be driving a Hennepin County owned car?

Other Peace Officers have had their POST License suspended after DWI's. Will Hutch? If so how can he remain Sheriff if his License is suspended? It's a requirement of the Office.

The average citizen also has their drivers license suspended and their entire household gets 'whisky plates' put on their cars. Will his license be suspended? Will he and his Husband get whisky plates on their cars?

If I was a still a Union Steward at the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office I'd be asking for all past and future suspensions of members be returned for DWI's for the duration of the Hutch Administration. What's that popular term now? Oh yeah, Equity.

Obituary for Karen Clossey

 I was very sad to hear of Karen's passing. She was 54, way too young. I worked with her for many years and had a few drinks with her over the years.She always had a smile and a great sense of humor. RIP, you will be missed.

Vaccine mandates and CO shortages

Corrections Officers worked all through the pandemic. Many of them, too many, caught Covid, recovered and kept working. They were called heroes.

Suddenly they are being told to get vaccinated against Covid 19 or be terminated. Some thanks. Well many CO's are refusing. There are many reasons, already have natural immunity from having it, religious exemption, and gasp, free will.

Employers public and private use coercion to force vaccines on the unwilling. The threat of losing your livelihood is a strong threat. But many employers are finding that's a two way street. More and more industries have had to reverse course on mandating the jab because workers have chosen to withhold the labor they need.

That is happening now in Corrections. Pima County, Arizona is now requiring all CO's to be vaccinated or face being fired. 158 of the 371 CO's are not vaccinated. There are calls to 'reduce inmate population' if the unvaccinated are fired!

At the end of the day labor is a two way street between employer and employee. 

Full story Western Journal.

The passing of Karen Clossey

This was  forwarded to me. There is no other information available at this time. I worked with Karen for many years. I will pass on when it becomes available. RIP friend.

HCSO Sheriff Hutchinson charged with DWI

 

KSTP is reporting that Hennepin County Sheriff Dave Hutchinson has been charged with 4 counts after an impaired driving crash.

FULL STORY

I hope he gets the help he needs.

HCSO Sheriff Hutchinson involved in possible DWI.

 KSTP is reporting that Hennepin County Sheriff Hutchinson was involved in a single vehicle roll over crash around 2:30 AM this morning. The Sheriff is injured and in the hospital. State Patrol said impaired driving is suspected and took a urine sample. The case will be reviewed by the Douglas County prosecutor.

The position of this blog has always been due process. So first off I wish Sheriff Hutch a speedy recovery. 

However, if he was driving impaired there is great concern.

He was at the Minnesota Sheriff's Association's winter conference. That means he was on duty AND driving a County vehicle. If true this is a can of worms. He has disciplined employees for DWI's and they have at times been given suspensions without pay. His Sheriff's Office issues DWI complaints against the public with severe consequences. Imagine the cost to Hennepin County tax payers if he injured or killed someone?

He admittedly is held to a higher standard, and should be held to higher consequences if found to be true. 

Here's the last few hours of the Schedule for the MSA winter conference. 

It's quite possible he enjoyed "The Brassholes" then the cash bar before driving.

To err is human. If you're the Sheriff who's job is Public Safety, Law Enforcement and disciplining employees, and you drink and drive, the trust is broken.

It's possible he was just tired and it was an accident. If proven otherwise public trust, the integrity of the Office of Sheriff, and the respect of the rank and file would demand he step down.

Dec 3rd Workgroup meeting-Final?

Friday Dec 3rd we had what may be the final Pension Work Group meeting. The Chair Dar Pankonie went around and asked the Members if 911 Dispatchers should have an enhanced pension. There was NOT a consensus other than the dispatchers. The County and City Groups argued cost and whether an enhanced pension was what was needed to attract employees.

Then it was asked if the pension were to be enhanced whether they should be added to the Correctional Plan.(Remember when they tabled it I said tabled doesn't mean gone). Again, no consensus. Heidi the PERA CO from Sherburne County mentioned an assault on staff with a bucket of feces being dumped on a CO's head and said the jobs have no comparison. Dan Gorman from the State CO's argued pension doesn't come up when hiring people and I brought up that when a CO goes to work we don't know if we will be going home, to the hospital or the morgue. Dispatchers don't have that risk. 

At this point some of the dispatchers became very emotional arguing their job is dangerous too. 

Are we out of the woods? NO!

The report is being written by Chad Burkitt the Analyst for the LCPR. He wrote the 'memo' suggesting there was no statute for CO's having our pension. I asked him if he knew why  the 40/60 split is in statute 353.63, he replied he didn't. Only Police, Fire and Corrections pay into their pensions with that formula.

He stated during the meeting dispatchers are Public Safety too. There is no 'Public Safety Pension'. There is Police and Fire and Corrections. Calling 911 Telecommunicators Public Safety (which they are) doesn't qualify them for our Pension. While he must say the committee didn't reach consensus, we won't know the slant or recommendation of the final report until it's done.

They stated they wanted this to be our last meeting but once the report is done and sent to the members of the Work Group they said we may have one more if the Work Group had questions. I would be surprised if that happened.

The process going forward is for the Work Group's report to go the LCPR who will in turn pass it on to Senator Bigham and the Pension Retirement Committee.

There was no consensus and I hope this is the end of trying to add Dispatchers to the PERA Correctional Plan.

If not we fight on.

Watch the Detention Home blog soon for video highlights. 

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

November 16 Working Group Update

 The 911 Telecommunicators Pension Benefit Working Group met on November 16.

The Chair apologized for cancelling the November 9th meeting she says there was a scheduling conflict.

A Vice Chair was elected so if the Chair is ever absent again the show can go on.

As most readers of this blog know opposition letters came in from MNCORA, 88 Hennepin County Detention Deputies and 3 PERA Correctional Retirees. It seems to have got some attention.

At this meeting the Chair said she "got off the rails" by only focusing on two choices for Dispatchers, their current General Fund Plan and the PERA Correctional Plan and she was "tabling" the Correctional Plan so they could consider other options.

Tabled does not mean gone as an option.

The meeting got very long and they did not get through the whole agenda. I tried to question Chad Burkitt about his memo to no avail. It should be the first item at the next meeting.

Chad Burkitt memo for Pension Working Group is wrong!

 On November 8th, Chad Burkitt, Analyst for the LCPR published a Memo on the Agenda for the 911 Telecommunicator Pension Benefits Working Group. 

He cites Minnesota Statute 353.63 which spells out which Public Employees receive special provisions for retirement, disability , etc.  "...Since this work is hazardous, special provisions are hereby made for retirement pensions, disability benefits and survivors benefits based on the particular dangers inherent in these occupations..."

He then compares it to the State Plan under MSS 352.90 which specifically mentions "certain correctional employees..." 

Mr. Burkitt then comments on the bottom of the first page of his memo, "We found no similar policy statements for the PERA Local Government Correctional Service Retirement Plan or the MSRS State Patrol Plan." 

This is patently FALSE! The entire State Statute section of 353 is Public Employees Retirement Association (PERA) and 353.63 does not exist in a vacuum but is a comprehensive part of the PERA Correctional Plan! 

MSS 353E.o2 spells out the PERA Correctional Plan.

MSS 353.031 Sub 2 Directly ties police and fire and corrections to the Retirement plan in 353.63! 

"Subd. 2.Plan document policy statement.

 Disability determinations for the public employees general fund must be made subject to section 353.01, subdivision 19; and for the police and fire plan and the local government correctional service retirement plan must be made consistent with the legislative policy and intent set forth in section 353.63."   (Emphasis mine.)

What's the big deal? First off Chad Burkitt is an Attorney and an Analyst for the LCPR. As such his legal memos should be correct. Secondly, the LCPR is supposed to be neutral as to what this Working Group decides as far as possibly increasing 911 Telecommunicator Pension Benefits and even adding them to the PERA Correctional Plan. 

His memo appears to put his thumb on the scale in favor of adding Dispatchers to the Correctional Plan. Why is a supposed neutral party even contributing a Memo to the Agenda of the Working Group?

A good question!

Pension Work Group update and Letters

The cancelled Pension Work Group meeting has been rescheduled for Tuesday the 16th. The last meeting was cancelled by the Chair and couldn't proceed without her because there was no Vice Chair. I'm glad to see that the first order of business after attendance is Election Of Vice Chair. 

Here's the Agenda for the 16th: https://www.lcpr.mn.gov/documents/911WorkGroup/Agenda_11.16.2021_911_Working_Group.pdf

MNCORA submitted a letter opposing the addition of 911 Telecommunicators to the PERA Correctional Plan and included letters from CO's. Thank you MNCORA and to all who signed at Hennepin County PSF and those who submitted individual letters.  My understanding is more letters are coming from across the State as opposition is growing. 

The Pension Commission has a page where they list Information From Stakeholders.

Mid page you can read MNCORA's letter and those submitted by the HCSO Detention Deputies and retirees. 

An interesting observation, the letters submitted have the names of the individuals who submitted them LELS's letters are all anonymous!

I will update as news comes in. 

St. Cloud Prison halts intake after Covid Outbreak

 According to the Star Tribune St. Cloud Prison has paused intake of new inmates due to a Covid 19 spike.

FULL STORY

Happy Veterans Day

To all of our Veterans, Thank you!

Today's Work Group cancelled

Today's meeting of the 911 Telecommunicators Pension Benefits Working Group was cancelled by the Chair today one hour before the meeting, no explanation.

They are tentatively looking to reschedule for Friday.

Here was today's now cancelled Agenda. I assume it will be the same for the next meeting.

https://www.lcpr.mn.gov/documents/911WorkGroup/911WorkGroupMeetings.htm

Urgent-November 9th Pension Group Agenda

 The 911 Telecommunicators Benefits Working Group meets again on November 9th.

The agenda includes voting on whether 911 Telecommunicators should have enhanced pension benefits including a 55 retirement and if so should they be added to the PERA Correctional Plan.

https://www.lcpr.mn.gov/documents/911WorkGroup/Agenda_11.09.2021_911_Working_Group.pdf

The Minnesota Correctional Officer Retirement Association (MNCORA) is asking for letters of opposition from CO's and Retirees.

I am encouraging all of you to write one, LELS sent a letter including letters of support to add dispatchers to our plan!

This is from MNCORA's site:

We are asking Correctional Officers and Retirees to send a letter of opposition to adding 911 Dispatchers to the PERA Correctional Plan send to:

MNCORA@protonmail.com 

Talking Points:

-State where you work, or worked and for how long.

-State why you are opposed to adding 911 Dispatchers to the PERA Correctional Plan.

-Did your time before entering the PERA Correctional Plan transfer in? If you've become licensed did your Correctional time credit follow you? They seek to join the Correctional Plan with past credit!

-How long before you were, or will be vested in the PERA Correctional Plan?

-Have you been assaulted or witnessed a CO assaulted on the job?

-Have you become sick with Covid or other diseases from inmates or know CO's that have?

-Put your first and last name at the bottom, or at least first name and last initial.(LELS letters are anonymous!)

We will be sending our letter to the Working Group before the Tuesday meeting and would like to pass CO letters along too, and will continue to accumulate for future actions.

Prisons face staffing shortages due to Covid 19

 Fox News is reporting: 

US prisons face staffing shortages as corrections officers quit in droves amid COVID-19

Full Story

COLA and Pension workgroup update

 PERA has announced the 2022 COLA (Cost of Living Adjustment). 

General Plan: 1.5%

Police & Fire Plan: 1.0%

Correctional Plan: 2.5%

Sadly inflation is still outrunning the COLA's. Inflation is currently at 5.4%!

The next 911 Dispatch Pension Workgroup is scheduled for November 9th. 

By then more surveys should be in from various groups. No agenda is out yet for that meeting.

I did run across an interesting Minnesota  Policy regarding Pensions. Under Minnesota Statutes 353.63.

I'll be curious to see how this goes over at the next meeting!

Finally a statewide Retirement Association for Corrections

 There's now the Minnesota Correctional Officer Retirement association for PERA Correctional Plan members.

It's about time! With all of the scheming to weaken our pension this is overdue.

I joined, I encourage all of you to join. It's dues free.

Here's the website: MNCORA.ORG

To join email MNCORA@protonmail.com

September Pension Working group update

 September 911 Dispatcher Pension Workgroup Update:

The meeting started out with numerous presentations on how  busy 911 dispatchers are.

 

The Statewide Director of Communications from the State Patrol brought up that their dispatchers are now trained on how to give medical advice over the phone, I’m assuming CPR, prior they didn’t do that. He shared the story of a car crash call where a dispatcher gave that help to a person on the scene over the phone and how it ended well.

 

I pointed out that is the difference between Dispatchers and CO’s. They give advice over the phone, CO’s are required to perform CPR and get exposed to blood and body fluids from inmates. We have physical contact they do not.

 

The Executive Director of the LCPR, stated they are still waiting for more surveys to come in (we should have by next meeting). From what she saw most wanted to be in the PERA Correctional plan for the 1.9% payout and the 55 retirement. They are still waiting on many surveys from Cities, Counties, Unions and employers regarding their positions.

 

The Communications Lieutenant from  Itasca County asked how CO’s got the Correctional Plan. I told them I was there at the early meetings in the late 90’s. Multiple Unions came together. We were opposed by Police and Fire, especially the MPPOA. We hired lobbyist Bob Johnson and were able to document higher injury and workers comp rates than even Police and Fire. It was based on inmate contact. If a CO blows a knee, they can’t work. If a dispatcher does, they can still sit at a desk.

 

Because the dispatchers want to go from a 1.7 payout in the General Plan to 1.9 in the Correctional I brought up the fact ours hasn’t been improved since its inception. We were told by the legislature back then, “you have your pension don’t come back. “ I put Doug Anderson of PERA and the Executive Director of the LCPR on notice. That if they want to add dispatch to our pension we will push for equity with the State Correctional Plan of a 2.2% payout.

 

The main direction appears to be adding them with credit for their years of service, something I pointed out we never had. I lost 9 years from the PERA General Plan when we switched. No CO working at the time had credit transferred into the Correctional Plan. A CO is 50% vested at 5 years and fully vested at 10.  We had to wait to get vested.

 

They want full vesting at 5 years.

 

Doug Anderson Executive Director of PERA made a presentation showing it will cost, estimated on his calculations, $79 million to add them to our plan! He said to be exact there would have to be an official actuarial study. It could be as high as $90 million! The Executive Director of the LCPR, stated the State had not provided money for an actuarial study! So at this point there is no exact number for the cost to our pension or where that money would come from.  And disability numbers were not included which would raise the numbers even higher.

 

*There were several actuarial studies done when creating the PERA Correctional Plan.

 

I gave them a final point to ponder. If they get the 55 retirement in our plan what about the gap between 55 and 65 for their health insurance? They said they didn’t want to open that can of worms. Their employers might not want to either. There’s nothing requiring them to continue covering them.

 

We don’t meet again until November.

 

 

 

8/27 meeting

 I was in the Iron Range at a family emergency and missed the meeting. I was able to obtain a video of it.

These are my observations:

The Committee chair and most of the work group refer to inmates we work with as 'clients.' It seems a ploy to diminish the danger in the corrections field.

They spent a lot of  time trying to figure out how to get around the inmate contact wording in our pension. The Statewide Director of Communications for the State Patrol, equated our "front line" contact with "clients"  as equal to dispatch contact on bad calls. 

Because the square peg didn't fit in the round hole the Chair asked and received confirmation that could be done simply by getting the legislature to change the definition of who fit in our pension.

A couple of members rightly brought up the opposition they're likely to face from CO's and from the Probation Officers who were denied in 2003.

Another point they kept arguing was that a dispatcher gets 'nothing' when they retire. They arrive at that by woke math. They take their actual retirement date, which is 65 then calculate it at a 55 retirement date with 10 years of penalty deductions. That comes to something like 40% of their full retirement if they stayed until  65. 

Doug Anderson, PERA Executive Director brought up the reality that adding dispatchers to our pension could cost as much as $350,000 each for those at or near retirement. That also brings up the reality this would decrease the number of dispatchers, not increase it.

Agenda for Aug 27 911 Telecommunicator Workgroup

 This is the agenda for this Friday, I will be in attendance.

Here's the link also, there's a place you can request to attend if you want.

Agenda

1. Informational Items
   1. State 911 Telecommunicator retention data and implications
      - Tim Boyer, Statewide Director of Communications, Minnesota State Patrol
   2. Small MSRS plans (Fire Marshall, DOT Pilots, Military Affairs)
      - Erin Leonard, Executive Director, MSRS
   3. Eligibility requirements for the PERA and MSRS Correctional Plans
      - Erin Leonard, Executive Director, MSRS
      - Doug Anderson, Executive Director, PERA
   4. Surveys to be conducted by the League of Minnesota Cities, Association of Minnesota Counties, and Minnesota Inter-County Association: Status report
      - Laura Kushner, Human Resources Director, League of Minnesota Cities
      - Matt Hilgart, Government Relations Manager, Association of Minnesota Counties
      - Matt Massman, Executive Director, Minnesota Inter-County Association
   5. Information requests and research items
      1. Department of Labor and Industry workers compensation data: status report
         - Susan Lenczewski, Executive Director, Legislative Commission on Pensions & Retirement
      2. Office of the Legislative Auditor: status report
         - Susan Lenczewski
      3. Discussion: What additional information is needed to inform the group?
2. Presentation and discussion of enhanced pension benefits for 911 telecommunicators
   - Darlene Pankonie, 9-1-1 Communications Division Manager, Washington Co. Sheriff's Office
3. Obtaining cost estimates from MSRS and PERA of possible alternatives
   - Chad Burkitt, Analyst, Legislative Commission on Pensions & Retirement
4. Adjournment

Hennepin and Ramsey County to Mandate Vaccine, careful!

 The Star Tribune is Reporting that Hennepin, Ramsey Counties to mandate Covid-19 Vaccine for employees.

This is a contentious mandate. 

The article states that Hennepin County's Unions are in discussion with the County.

I hope so, things to consider:

What are the long term effects of these non-FDA approved vaccines?

In addition to common side effects, there are more serious ones and even reports of blood clots and myocarditas.

If an employee mandated to get the shot has side effects who covers the time off needed to recover?

If there are lifelong health problems, stroke, damage to the heart among others, is the Employer prepared to pay long term disability? If an employee dies as a result is the Employer going to compensate surviving family?

Will the Employer consider the many employees who have had Covid 19? Many of the Detention Deputies in the Jail and Workhouse CO's have had it and have immunity. There are studies that show natural immunity is more effective then the jab and possibly getting the vaccine after having Covid-19 can be harmful. 

Also consider the Vaccine is not a Condition of Employment in the current Contract and must be negotiated! 

The Employer must also consider religious exceptions. 

It's been difficult for Employers to hire Detection Deputies  and CO's at the Workhouse as well as Licensed Deputies especially in this anti-law enforcement environment. Is the Employer willing to lose good hires who won't apply because of the vaccine mandate? Are they prepared for Detention Deputies/CO's to leave rather than comply?

To further complicate the matter it is now known that the vaccinated can get and spread Covid-19!

This author is of the opinion medical decisions are best between a patient and a doctor. An Employer is on solid ground making a recommendation, even offering the Vaccination, but a mandate is stepping onto dangerous legal and moral ground.

Pennsylvania State Corrections Officers Association fights vaccine mandate

 BPR is reporting: 

Democratic Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf has mandated that. 

"state correction institutions would be required to be fully vaccinated by September 7, 2021, or be required to submit to COVID-19 testing. New employees would be required to be vaccinated prior to employment in these facilities."

Of note the PSCOA says 3,700 CO's have been infected with the Corona Virus!

The PSCOA responded:

John Eckenrode, President              Hank McNair, Executive Vice President             Aaron King, Vice President              Mark Truszkowski, Vice President             jeckenrode@pscoa.org                                            hmcnair@pscoa.org                                              aking@pscoa.org                                    mtruszkowski@pscoa.org        Raymond Johnston, Secretary/Treasurer  rjohnston@pscoa.org

2421 North Front Street Harrisburg, PA 17110-1110 (717) 364-1700 Phone (717) 364-1705 Fax Patrolling the Toughest Blocks in the State WWW.PSCOA.ORG

PENNSYLVANIA STATE CORRECTIONS OFFICERS ASSOCIATION

 

 

 

 

Aug. 12, 2021

 

Hon. Tom Wolf, Governor

Office of the Governor
508 Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg, PA 17120

 

Dear Gov. Wolf:

 

Since the beginning of the pandemic, Corrections employees have gone to work every day in horrible conditions. They have worked excruciatingly long hours and weeks without days off. Throughout this pandemic, they have maintained a level of dedication and professionalism. Your decision this week to mandate vaccinations and/or testing is a slap in the face – and, frankly, way too late because thousands of our members already have been infected, due to your inaction.

 This is the latest episode of what has been a woefully inconsistent vaccination/testing/masking policy by this administration in our state prisons. PSCOA has instructed legal counsel to challenge this latest proposed policy change. 

We have always believed receiving the COVID-19 vaccine should be a choice for all Americans, but Corrections employees who want it should be prioritized, given our work conditions. In January, PSCOA called on Acting Department of Health Secretary Alison Beam to prioritize COVID-19 vaccinations of Corrections employees. 

Instead, smokers were given priority.

 Employees were left on their own to get vaccinated. Thousands did just that – when they could find them. Vaccinations were finally made available by your administration two months later at the end of March. Unfortunately, during the winter surge of the virus, thousands of Corrections employees were infected.

 Prison transfers only made conditions worse. PSCOA repeatedly called on your administration to stop all transfers. Despite the Department of Corrections’ claim that it was safely isolating prisoners, anyone who has even a basic knowledge of how a virus works understands transfers were spreading it from prison to prison.

 To date, nearly 3,700 Corrections employees have been infected, but the truth is we expect the number is significantly higher and many more have attained natural immunity. Yet for some unknown reason, natural immunity is being ignored by federal health officials and this administration.  

A study done in February in Nature used antibody screenings from California and found seven times as many cases as those that were confirmed. (Study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82662-x)

 Researchers from Washington University in St. Louis reported that mild infection immune cells were still capable of producing protective antibodies after 11 months. They concluded that natural immunity to COVID-19 is probably lifelong. (Study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4)

 Other inconsistencies are troubling and further support our move to take legal action on behalf of our Officers.

 Your proposed testing plan is inconsistent and won’t increase safety because you don’t require other individuals, such as family members of inmates, contractors, vendors or volunteers to be tested. 

As for masking, our members are required to wear them, but inmates are not. In fact, the current policy concerning inmate masking states, “No force or misconduct should be issued to enforce compliance.” Once again, this does not in any way improve safety in congregate settings. 

For months, our reasonable requests have fallen on deaf ears. Pennsylvania’s Corrections employees deserve better.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

John Eckenrode, President

PSCOA

 

 

 

cc: Pennsylvania General Assembly

911 Telecommunicators pension workgroup day one

 Introductions were made among the members and myself as advisor.

Chad Burkitt laid out expectations, of concern is that there is an expectation to consider adding Telecommunicators to the Correction Plan because Senator Bingham had that in the original Bill. It doesn’t have to be recommended but it’s expected to be discussed.

He said that’s why there’s Corrections people on the committee.

The vote was taken among the Committee (I am just an advisor) and they elected Dar Pankoine as Chair. She’s from Washington County and with APCO a Dispatch organization. She immediately took over as chair.

Pera Executive Director Doug Anderson made PERA's Presentation.

Erin Leonard Executive Director of MSRS (State Retirement) made their presentation.

I pointed out a couple of things. The PERA General fund of which the Dispatchers are currently in has $22.63 Billion, yes Billion in Assets, the PERA Correctional Plan has only $787.32 Million. Wouldn’t their current plan be better able to absorb an increase in their Pension?

Couldn’t moving the 911 Dispatchers into our Pension cause our Plan to go below 80% funding (we are at 100% according to Doug) and reduce our COLA (Cost of living adjustment) from max of 2.5% to 1 to 1.5% permanently?

This of course would be determined by the legislature if it gets that far.

 At the end I pointed out the PERA Correctional Plan requires 95% inmate contact and the State Correctional MSRS Plan 75%. I asked Dar (the chair) If any dispatchers at Washington County had 95% inmate contact. She said no they’re separated. I then asked how many Washington County Dispatchers had been assaulted. She said that wasn’t a fair question. I reiterated that our plan is based on 95% inmate contact and the physical dangers inherent with that. She said we could discuss that later as well as the additional stress the dispatchers have.